Moultrie AD

Friday, June 5, 2015

Deer Scents Now Illegal in Virginia?


                                                                                         Photo copyright James B. Boyd
The Virginia hunting community has been in an uproar over the past few days due to a new law that allegedly passed concerning use of deer scents in Virginia. A lot of people have blamed liberalism, money-hungry lawmakers, and the fact that the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries "just doesn't care about what we want!" The law passed regardless of a majority vote by citizens during the public input period that the scents remain legal to use. Why do they even ask what we think if they're just going to go against us anyway? I'll tell you why. And I'll tell you why in just three letters: CWD.
CWD also affects elk. Photo copyright Gary Gulash.

Chronic Wasting Disease, or CWD, is an incurable, dangerously contagious, and 100% fatal disease
in cervids. Cervids includes mule deer, whitetailed deer, moose and elk. The disease is spread through bodily secretions like saliva, urine, feces and gland oils. It is caused by prions, which today are not fully understood by scientists and so far, are resistant to all forms of medicines. The CWD disease remains live in the environment for years after being shed from the animal, thus remaining infective to any other cervid that comes in contact with it.

There have been seven confirmed cases of CWD in Virginia, the first being a doe killed by a hunter in 2009. Since then, over 7,600 samples have been taken from hunter-killed deer, roadkill deer, and captive deer that die.

Captive deer farm
Seven cases? Virginia is actually doing pretty well when we put it into perspective. What do I mean by "perspective?" States like Colorado and Wyoming have become so overwhelmed with the disease that they have practically given up trying to eradicate it from the wild population because it's virtually impossible. Why would we want to have the same problem in our great state? We just re-introduced elk into our state, why would we want to put that population at risk, too?


Removing lymph nodes from a deer for CWD testing
Deer infected with CWD will show no visible signs of sickness in the early stages, and it is only detectable in deceased animals. Samples are taken from the brain and lymph nodes and tested for the presence of the disease. So how can all of these captive deer farms that mass produce deer urine and scents be so sure that there is no CWD? According to the Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, a great deal of these companies have not been compliant with their CWD testing. Basically, it's scaring the crap out of our natural resource managers.

Buck suffering from CWD.
Just last year, Virginia took a huge hit to our deer population via Epizootic Hemorrhagic Disease (EHD). It got us a little worried. We talked about it. A lot of us even started brainstorming ways to try to help the populations in the coming years to possibly try to help the herds recover and grow. EHD isn't even contagious...it's transmitted by a fly and is completely out of human control. Now that the DGIF is taking intiative to prevent the outbreak of a contagious disease that is completely preventable by human hands, we're all upset and in an uproar. Take a step back and think about it, folks!

We aren't alone. Other states like Alaska and Vermont have signed a similar law into action in their states, and both were for the sole purpose of preventing CWD.

So what's in the fine print?

The proposed change was for a law in the Administrative Code of Virginia, law 4VAC15-90-293: Chronic Wasting Disease Deer Carcass Movement Restrictions. The proposed amendment states, "No person shall, for the purposes of taking or intending to take, attracting, or scouting, any wild animal in Virginia, possess or use any substance or material that contains or purports to contain any excretion collected from a cervid, including feces, urine, blood, gland oil, or other bodily fluid."


This means ANY NATURAL SUBSTANCE THAT WAS OBTAINED FROM ANY LIVE CERVID. You CAN still use artificial cover scents, artificial scents, synthetic urines, or fox and coon urine. The law only prohibits use of cervid excretions. This includes but is not limited to gland oils, tarsal glands, doe urine, and buck urine. It also includes the rub-on sticks like VS-1 that uses the natural vaginal secretions of live does. It's a little fuzzy, but this may also include urine collected from a deer that you killed yourself.

Will stores continue to sell these items? Absolutely. They want to make money off of you, even if you're going to use the products illegally. They are not liable for what you do with the product once you leave the store (just like buying deer corn and minerals in November), so they couldn't care less. It all comes down to you, the hunter, to understand WHY this law was passed, WHY the deer could potentially experience an incurable outbreak due to using these scents, and be wise to the environment and the laws. Yes, the new law sucks and puts a hindrance on our hunting traditions, but we can't always think about what we want when it comes to hunting; sometimes we need to think about what's best for the wildlife and what is the best way for us to make sure that good hunting is available for future generations!

Love this blog? Be sure to visit the Virginia Hunting Forum, Virginia's leading hunting and fishing community on the net! Join in on great discussions there and share your favorite scents and attractants for deer hunting!

27 comments:

  1. I can appreciate that science doesn't yet have an understanding of how this disease spreads through prions. My concern would be the absence of a clear link between commercial products and CWD. This law would be more tolerable if there were actual cases where synthetic urine was proven to have caused CWD or any other disease for that matter. -Concerned citizen and hunter-

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. My reading of the new regs is that this is exactly the point; synthetic urine doesn't cause disease, the real stuff definitely does contain prions, which definitely do pass from animal to animal via urine. Does there need to be a case of bottled deer urine passing prions around if we know that urine right from the animal is fully infectious? Prions live for years in any substance, even when frozen or boiled.

      Delete
  2. Two things;
    Mr. Abbitt a board member was asked at an open committee meeting about the VA Elk herd. Elk are the biggest carrier of CWD. He said those elk came from a farm in KY and they are tested CWD free. Question was then asked what is wrong with using CWD free certified urine/estrus? He would not answer.
    The principle of the matter is this. If natural deer urine/estrus is going to be illegal to use it should be illegal to sell. The government should not be able to make money both ways.
    This was a knee jerk reaction with not enough facts. I am part owner of a scent company here in VA and I can assure you from my point it's not about the money I will loose here in the Commonwealth but the government not making money off me as a HUNTER both ways. If I can't use it I cam going to propose the ban on selling it.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I don't think DGIF has the authority to make something illegal to sell. They'd probably love to just get all those potentially prion-filled deer urine bottles out of the state, but my reading of State law is that they cannot regulate that aspect of commerce, juts the possession and use of a product, not the sale of it.

      Elk are also not the largest CWD carrier, it was first found in mule deer and is mostly in them still.

      How is the government making money off you by doing this? Not being sarcastic, just not following the logic.

      Delete
  3. The elk that have been released in Virginia DID NOT COME FROM A FARM. They were captured from the wild herd in Kentucky. A herd that has been disease free since the first elk was released in 1997. Elk are not the biggest carrier of CWD. I was a participant in the process of capturing,testing and releasing these elk in Virginia so my information is first hand. I was also at the VDGIF meeting and can assure you the neither Mr Abbitt nor any member of the board made the statement that Johnny Seamster is attributing to him. This is an issue that brings up a lot of emotions and differing opinions so PLEASE don't bash the elk project or other efforts to preserve or protect our wildlife. Please stick to facts and not "they say" or "somebody told me" facts folks, they are easy to find and you don't end up looking uneducated.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. If the disease can only be detected in deceased animals how can you test a live animal an certify that the entire heard is disease free. I am confused

      Delete
  4. If you have a herd of over 10,000 elk and not one had died from CWD that in itself is a very good indicator that you do not have any CWD since it is fatal 100% of the time. While there is no test to detect CWD in Whitetail Deer there is a test that has been used successfully to detect CWD in live elk. So that test was run on the elk during the quarantine period before they were transported from Kentucky to Virginia. Those results along with the disease free history of the Kentucky herd is what gave the Virginia state Veterinarian the confidence to allow them to enter the state. CWD was just one of many diseases the elk were checked for and they passed all test with no positive results for any of the diseases. In captive deer farms in order to be "certified" CWD free they must kill and test 10% of their herd each year and have negative results for disease. Unfortunately one positive would probably result in destroying the entire herd. CWD is a nasty beast let's hope that all this research will bring a test and cure in the near future for all species that are at risk.

    ReplyDelete
  5. If you go to a doctor's office and he tells you that you have a disease, and then proceeds to tell you that you contracted this disease from the mucous of another human, do you ask him "Well, was it from Jane's mucous when she rubbed her eye and then shook my hand last Monday?" Or do you ask him to "Prove to me that it was contracted from mucous, and not from something else?" Or do you just trust his educated judgement, because he did spend well over 8 years in medical school, and you didn't?

    The same goes for this situation. Trust the biologists who take part in proposal of these laws. Biologists who also spent many, many years getting their biology major in wildlife sciences, while you pursued other subjects, or no subjects at all. If you don't understand basic biology, molecular biology and chemistry, then you won't be expected to understand why biological urine from another living animal is dangerous to our herds.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Has DGIF said anything about urine or other stuff from an animal killed in the state's CWD area? If the animal is killed there and the urine used there is that also illegal, sounds like it is but not sure...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. It isn't defined. That's one of those "gray areas."

      Delete
  7. There's nothing on the state CWD website about this, has there been a press release yet?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. New rules, laws, and regulations generally go into effect on July 1st every year. Check back after that date, and it *should* all be updated.

      Delete
    2. They just posted a new section concerning this issue.

      Delete
  8. Pertaining to the removal of the bear tag from the hunting licenses. Will the cost of the licenses go down or will it remain the same. I think if it remains the same I will probably hang up my guns and call it quits, from deer and turkey hunting also. I think if you are going to reduce the game I can hunt, you should reduce the licenses fees. Terry Swiney June 12,2015 8:55 P.M.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. The cost of your big game license will remain the same, about $23 for six deer and three turkey tags, no bear tag.

      Delete
  9. Great blog! Great information and very respectable bringing it up front for all of us to be aware...

    ReplyDelete
  10. Since virginia is banning the use of deer urine , please tell the deer to use the Porta potties in the woods. This way the CWD can not spread through the woods.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Ok, my question is, if the natural urine attractants are collected from deer and deer populations are not as great as say in the 1800s' why is this only now an issue? If the problem is natural bodily fluids and the deer population is less than say 150 years ago there is obviously fewer deer urinating and defecating in the forests. So why has this not been a greater problem? Is it because of loss of habitat that deer are forced to live in more confined locations forcing sanitary issues that never existed before? Unless it is because of deer living too close together urinating and defecating in more confined areas I fail to see the logic in the DIGF decision. And if that is the case why is in not seen in lets say stock yards among cattle who live in very confined areas?

    ReplyDelete
  12. While hunting terrain may differ, deer habits tend to be similar no matter where you live. Deer Scent Reviews

    ReplyDelete
  13. Try this synthetic, bet you can't tell it isn't real urine...
    http://www.nelsoncreekoutdoors.com/lucky7sdihplus.html

    ReplyDelete
  14. Try this synthetic, bet you can't tell it isn't real urine...
    http://www.nelsoncreekoutdoors.com/lucky7sdihplus.html

    ReplyDelete
  15. My humble opinion: Synthetic urine will ruin your deer hunt, don't use it. If using a product for scent cover, use real raccoon urine... Or other non-preditor scent. I've tested synthetic urines for two years now on/around early, mid and late season scrapes (couple different popular brands)and in each application the deer changed their pattern/habits. Either not visiting/using the scrape again, making a totally different scrape after application, or the buck stops using that area all together. Don't risk your harvest. Stay away from synthetics. You're better off taking advantage of the natural habitats of the deer in your area and trying to stay as invisible as possible. Using synthetic urine, even from trusted "real urine" brands you used to use, will push your buck away. Again, just my humble opinion based on my own real world research....

    ReplyDelete
  16. This is an issue that brings up a lot of emotions and differing opinions so PLEASE don't bash the elk project or other efforts to preserve or protect our wildlife.
    Thank you for this post, really interesting!
    Deer Scent

    ReplyDelete
  17. The cost is $360 per person, which includes all ammunition, use of rifles, several meals, transportation to and from field trips, etc. Deer Scent

    ReplyDelete
  18. The firearm in this video demonstrates one of the neatest parts of an AR pattern rifle: its modularity.  hunting review site

    ReplyDelete
  19. these are amazing tools for hunting and if you want more tools then you can visit here best wifi trail camera for hunting

    ReplyDelete
  20. When purchasing these products, you should also check out the shipping cost as well as the cost per pound. Most of the time, products that have been sold at bulk rates will not be cheap. For more ideal details about buy legal opioids, pop over to these guys.

    ReplyDelete